What do you guys think about Water Methanol Injection?

[John258]

im new to the 3s world and i was just wondering if using Methanol injection is worth it.

[Highboosted]

I don't like using it, adds another variable that in a failure mode can cause all sorts of expensive engine damage. I like to keep things as simple as possible, because with my luck things tend to break at inopprotune times. If you tune for it and the pump fails or clogs, no safety in the world is going to protect you from the insane lean condition or overboost you will see. If you inject just water, though, no issues and there is benefits.

That being said, I have a Snow kit for sale.

[John258]

well i was told that there is no chance of you messing up you're motor unless like you said the pump fails, clogs or you run out of meth. i was told meth is alot better than water injection.

[i am me n u r u]

We'll be running it in one of our VR4's shortly. We're just finishing the engine build now, then assembly, break in, and onto the Dyno it goes.

Feel free to shoot me an email if you want to keep posted on our results. I will probably forget to post back in here. 3000GTStealthWarehouse@gmail.com

We're relatively local to you as well, so, you are more than welcome to swing by the shop when we dyno it if you'd like to watch :)

-Em

[whitedragon]

well i was told that there is no chance of you messing up you're motor unless like you said the pump fails, clogs or you run out of meth. i was told meth is alot better than water injection.

That's exactly what Highboosted just said.

Those are three additional things you just listed:
- Pump Fail
- Pump Clog
- Run out of Meth

Those are three things more to fail then if you didn't have Meth Injection in the first place.

'Boosted is saying Less is more in this case, but like with anything, you have to decide what your goals and budget is. For example, if you're just goin' for a specific horsepower number, maybe bigger turbos would be a better fit then smaller turbos + meth, or something.

Just something else to think about.

[i am me n u r u]

meth injection is beneficial if you are looking to push your current set-up while remaining on pump gas, and have the necessary electronics to control it properly.

just like anything else, proper maintenance is necessary. It's not a system that you run continually every day. It's something to use at the track, or during racing. If it's used in it's correct application, no, there really are no down points to it. However, just like any other modification, it needs to be installed properly, and monitored/maintained.

[John258]

yeah. well once i get my meth injection i need my car to be tuned so i'll def swing by. can you guys dyno tune my car?

[i am me n u r u]

Yea, we have an AWD dynojet at our shop.

We also sell the AEM Meth Injection kits if you are interested in pricing and such.

[Highboosted]

well i was told that there is no chance of you messing up you're motor unless like you said the pump fails, clogs or you run out of meth. i was told meth is alot better than water injection.

I have a few friends with holes in their blocks and oil pans from escaping rods who will disagree, but it really depends on your goals and how aggressive you are. Same as propane injection, which has now fell out of favor in both diesel and gas camps, and now meth injection is pretty frowned on because it's burn can't be controlled to the extent a homogeneous fuel can.

Methanol is a fuel, water is a combustion chamber coolant. To tune for meth you pull fuel out of the tune or add boost (injecting meth without changing the tune WILL cause a loss in power, from overfuelling), and once that's done if there's ANY interuption of injection, chance of engine failure skyrockets. The gain from meth injection is from the high octane (130+ AKI) of the fuel injected.

Water injection by itself is purely for chamber cooling (water absorbs heat @ 1 calorie per 1 CC of water undergoing phase change), which you don't have to tune for but allows you to run "intermittent" power levels for longer periods of time or get away with a bit more aggressive tuning, but usually it's just to lower chamber temps to avoid damage when running full power, a safety as you will. Problem comes in high humidity where the water injected can't vaporize and causes the fuel to fail to vaporize also, effectivly causing an appearent increase in density altitude in the engine and a power loss.

Any case, do lots of research, don't take my word for it, then have fun!

[xwire]

have to agree... meth for safety good, meth for power bad, on a all out drag ONLY car then yea go for it as you will be checking it all the time

on a car that is daily driven and has to have it, naa I would pass to many chances of something going wrong and NO system is faster enough to react and save your motor if tuned on the edge...

[vr4rieders]

im new to the 3s world and i was just wondering if using Methanol injection is worth it.

One of the best mods I did on my original VR. Tuned with piggyback, NOT FULL RACE BY ANY MEANS, but definitly helped.
Had it on for years AND NEVER FAILED, unlike many other hi-po parts.
Plan on doing it again for the blown vette...:drive:
IMPORTANT TO HAVE WARNING LIGHTS AND FAIL SAFES IN THE EVENT OF FAILURES (pump)...
All that said, paranoi strikes deep!!!
If you tune for it just make sure you ALWAYS HAVE IT!!!
You can still tune rich as a safety, and when the fail lite comes on you have 2 miliseconds instead of 1:eek:...

[xwire]

One of the best mods I did on my original VR. Tuned with piggyback, NOT FULL RACE BY ANY MEANS, but definitly helped.
Had it on for years AND NEVER FAILED, unlike many other hi-po parts.
Plan on doing it again for the blown vette...:drive:
IMPORTANT TO HAVE WARNING LIGHTS AND FAIL SAFES IN THE EVENT OF FAILURES (pump)...
All that said, paranoi strikes deep!!!
If you tune for it just make sure you ALWAYS HAVE IT!!!
You can still tune rich as a safety, and when the fail lite comes on you have 2 miliseconds instead of 1:eek:...

You were more so using it for safety then power, for power I am taking leaning it out and throwing timing at it to utilize the added octane, in that instance if something goes wrong you don't have anything that is going to saw you if something fails

I personally prefer to build with enough intercooling and octane in the fuel I am tuning with

Can it help make power no questions yes but there are other better ways to make that power, just my two cents on it

[blackeyes]

I bought a devilsown kit off of 3si when they where a vendor on there.
www.alcohol-injection.com