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detpac
- December 15th, 2002, 03:25 PM
Lurker, I thought you would need this,

"First off, you'll have to remove the 6 nuts holding the downpipe to the car, and then the one smaller bolt from the exhaust flange. I got really lucky, my car doesn't have a million miles on it, and the previous owner literally never drove it when it rained. So my bolts were not stuck at all, but I have heard that some people have a devil of a time getting them off. At any rate, I put lithium grease on each stud before putting the bolts back on to make future removal easy.

After the downpipe is removed, you can then remove the front cat completely. The rear one I left bolted to the engine, like most people do. The tools to use are simple, an electric drill, 2 drill bits, a 1 inch flat wood bit, and I also used a 3/8 inch metal bit to punch a few holes through the material and weaken it. It's important to note that the precat material you are cutting through is only about 3.5-4 inches thick. You do not need a very long bit to accomplish this, just enough to poke through about an inch. I drilled the holes in the front precat with the metal bit, spaced evenly in a triangle around the center. Then I attacked the center with the wood bit, and punched through the middle with it. When the center of the cat is hollowed out fairly well, you can take a screwdriver to the sides of the cat, and break the seal against the sides of the pipe. It takes time, but on the front precat, it is really no big deal.

Finally, you will start breaking out huge chunks of material, I went back and used the wood bit sporadically here, because it catches on the metal and rips it apart and breaks it up. Once you start breaking out big pieces, your work is almost over. When you are done, I took a 2.5 inch wire wheel with an extension to the insides of the cat, polishing it smooth. You may need to scrape the sides with a screwdriver and hammer to get to this point if it did not get ripped out too cleanly. But, this is easily done. So, with the front precat done... take a break.

The rear cat is a PITA! But, if you love your car enough to even consider doing this, the payoff is worth it.

Using the same tools and technique, I had the rear cat gutted in about 3 hours, polished and ready to go. A lot of people say that after you do this mod, you will hear popping sounds from your exhaust... that is the left over crap that they didn't remove, there are metal filings everywhere. One important thing... you MUST wear eyegoggles, a face mask, and be sure to cover your hair completely. Trust me on this. You really can't do the rear precat without doing this. You will be under the car and this stuff just rains down on you.

Don't worry about damaging the sensor behind the cat, if you use a drill bit that will only extend about 5 inches or so, you will never hit it. Anyway, when the sides are very smooth, (I am a perfectionist, and I was also worried that too many filings would gunk up the main cat down the line) use the wire wheel and polish it out. Then I took a heavy duty shop vac and sucked all the dust out of both cats.

The end result was two very thoroughly gutted precats, with smooth inside walls, and about 15 horses I'd say. You really can feel the difference. I hope this helps anyone planning on doing this. Plan on spending a day for this, longer if you have problems getting the downpipe bolts off. But when everything is bolted back up, and if you have done a great job in removing all the dust and material, you won't hear any "popping noises", just the usual exhaust tone, maybe slightly louder at WOT.

Good luck!"

I found it for you.;)

The Lurker
- December 15th, 2002, 07:39 PM
Thanx David I will do that next, but with the precat completely out.

99VR4SupraHunter
- December 16th, 2002, 02:32 PM
What does eliminating your pre-cat do?

detpac
- December 16th, 2002, 02:38 PM
It makes the Flux capacitor twist and gyrate faster and smoother:D

Not really, it has nothing to do with the Flux Capacitor.

99VR4SupraHunter
- December 16th, 2002, 02:39 PM
you had me going there for a minute

last_in_line
- December 17th, 2002, 07:01 PM
when i did this mod my lips were numb for the rest of the day:asshole: hehe the stuff your drilling out is nasty stuff

detpac
- December 18th, 2002, 08:49 AM
Not that fun underneath your car with metal and carbon raining down.

DJ Eric P.
- December 18th, 2002, 09:40 AM
Can't you just take it comppletely out and do it in the garage. Did you feel a big difference in performance and sound.

detpac
- December 18th, 2002, 09:45 AM
Big difference in both. You can take it out but it is a PITA. Remove it from the rear turbo then gut it and put it back. If you are going to upgrade turbos, wait til then because you will have to take off the turbo anyways.

DJ Eric P.
- December 18th, 2002, 10:21 AM
I'm thinking about getting the Stillen DP and saving my precats for smog inspections. Damn Cali regulations.

last_in_line
- December 18th, 2002, 04:33 PM
i live in california too and i passed the smog test easily with the precats gutted although i had a brand new high flow cat that i had just installed so should be no prob

The Lurker
- December 18th, 2002, 04:45 PM
Remember that the stillen DP replaces one of the precats and your main cat.

detpac
- December 18th, 2002, 04:45 PM
Maybe a joke but worth looking into is Fuel On Cleaner.

http://store.yahoo.com/fuelon/

Looks interesting, especially for CA residents.

ADLER
- December 20th, 2002, 10:11 AM
Gutting my precats was one of the most fun jobs ever!
It only took me 15 hours to do both!
Just make sure you wear a face mask/goggles, and something over your hair.
You will definitely notice a difference in performance. I have mine gutted/no main cat either, and Bacho has all cats, and I definitely pull on him from a roll.

I think I might take my rear turbo and manifold off this weekend, so I might try to smooth out the rear cat better, as I left a little junk in there last time I did it.

detpac
- December 20th, 2002, 09:12 PM
No cats here either.

mvknicks3
- January 4th, 2003, 07:21 PM
after you gut them if the check engine light going to gone on?

last_in_line
- January 4th, 2003, 07:38 PM
my check engine light didnt come on no

detpac
- January 4th, 2003, 09:53 PM
Never seen that light in my car either

mvknicks3
- January 5th, 2003, 07:51 PM
thanks now thats what im gonna be doing on saturday

detpac
- January 5th, 2003, 07:54 PM
Good luck.

mvknicks3
- January 6th, 2003, 01:17 PM
thanks

detpac
- January 14th, 2003, 03:12 AM
Any progress yet?

mvknicks3
- January 14th, 2003, 03:58 PM
no i havent had a chance to yet im still have to work out a few things with my car cause i just did a bunch of with it and not everything is running right so i have to wait to work those things out then im gonna work on the cats ill let u know when i do them.

DJ Eric P.
- January 14th, 2003, 05:03 PM
I was gonna do mine, but I said fuck and sold the damn car.;)

mvknicks3
- January 14th, 2003, 10:15 PM
i agree with that. i am have so much god damn trouble with this im ready to just say fuck. but i do keep it and it lasts it will be worth it.

detpac
- January 15th, 2003, 04:37 PM
I was almost there. Ask Richard. It is doing great now.

mvknicks3
- January 16th, 2003, 02:08 PM
thats good to know im glad ur is running good.mine should be back and running good soon.

Smyte
- June 15th, 2006, 12:48 AM
Does gutting your cats effect your sensors and give you a cel?

nightroad
- June 15th, 2006, 01:21 AM
I love California and their vehicle laws.

Shawn96VR-4
- June 15th, 2006, 07:19 AM
Does gutting your cats effect your sensors and give you a cel?

On OBDII cars, it is possible. I am referring to precats. Most 97+ get the CEL. The main CAT won't give a CEL.

Henessey
- June 18th, 2006, 04:17 PM
wont you shoot flames with no cats?

Shawn96VR-4
- June 18th, 2006, 05:42 PM
It's possible. I have several times.

Henessey
- June 19th, 2006, 10:13 AM
^isnt that cop bait? Are we talking rotary engine type flames?
I dont wanna backfire everytime i let off that wouldnt fly in fairfax virginia

TTAngel
- June 19th, 2006, 10:25 AM
It won't be that bad.

Plus it's not every time you let off the gas, just when you have a bit of extra fuel in the mix. It will happen about as often as you here a back-fire in your car now.

With a good tune it should be pretty manage-able.

I had precat elims, straight through down-pipe, custom exhaust with staight through mufflers, and with a good tune never blew fire out the exhaust.