Best Japanese Super Car Ever

[Racer 007]

Go ahead and vote and post your opinions.

[Racer 007]

Obviously I will select the 3S. No other car above truly combines elegance and aggresive styling quite like the 3S.

No, it's not the greatest platform to modify nor the easiest but remember it is classified as a "Grand Touring" vehicle.

[VR4speed]

I of course would have to choos the 3/S or else I'd be trying to hook myself up with a supra instead of one.

and I don't know what it is about the 3rd gen Talons- I would love to have one of those as a daily driver

[DJ Eric P.]

I was gonna pick supra, but then I was thinking NSX, so I picked none of thee above.

[GabeRT]

i picked the rx-7

[92es]

Because the grass is always greener...I picked the RX-7. Something about those smooth body curves is really sexy. Not to say that 3S curves aren't. But I bet the rotary issues are a bitch!

[Racer 007]

:hair2: RX7?

[92es]

Originally posted by DJ Eric P.
I was gonna pick supra, but then I was thinking NSX, so I picked none of thee above. uh, no you didn't :rolleyes:

[TroopsstealthTT]

I am going to say 3S, because its my car, and I love my car. If I had to choose one that wasn't a 3s it would be a 300zxTT, that would be my close second.


:car:

Troop

[colmidahdi]

Originally posted by Richard
Obviously I will select the 3S. No other car above truly combines elegance and aggresive styling quite like the 3S.

what about its little brother?

[Racer 007]

Originally posted by TroopsstealthTT
I am going to say 3S, because its my car, and I love my car. If I had to choose one that wasn't a 3s it would be a 300zxTT, that would be my close second.
:car:
Troop
I will agree with you there. The Z was my first choice until I found my Stealth. They are just so damn hard to find. Specially in good condition.

[Racer 007]

Originally posted by colmidahdi

what about its little brother?
The Talon owns it's counterparts. I think of the Eclipse as the female Talon and the Laser as the homo Eclipse.

[SM-4]

to you guys that are saying Z, what makes the Z better than the supra?

[Racer 007]

IMO, a couple of things. First off the radical design for the era it grew up in. It was just so gorgeous when they first came out. In fact, the design is one that is very timeless. If you see a cherry 240 or 280 on the street today, it still turns your head.

The 300ZX was just such a radical improvement over the previous design. Nothing else looked quite like it.

Datsun/Nissan showed quite a bit of gumption when they introduced this model. Then with the redesign of the 300 platform it literally changed the way sportscars were designed.

Definitely a trailblazer of a car.

**edit**

If you didn't know this already, the 90 300zx(first year 4G), had an engine that almost mirrored ours (3S). It was also a 3.0 DOHC V-6. 222HP for the N/A and 300HP for the twin turbo model. The auto trannies had 280HP. They also went with variable valve timing (Vtec) and distributorless ignition. Almost a mirror image of our beloved 6G72.

[Sean 91 VR4]

SKYLINE

[KraizeVoodooZX2]

I second the motion on a R33 skyline!!

[Racer 007]

I am so not in love with the Skyline. It really doesn't impress me at all.

[ADLER]

my vote is with the skyline, but since it wasn't up there, I voted 3s.

[Racer 007]

Maybe a biased vote currently. 7 for 3S's but 4 also for the RX-7. Who picked the RX-7 and why? Just curious.

[Shawn96VR-4]

Define "Best"

Performance wise 3/S doesn't compare to those other platform's accomplishments

Durability? Now RX-7.

I'd say MKIV just because it basically has it all. :(

[chewedtoothpick]

Mine to be exact (jk)... but I think that skylines are the best Jap sportscar.

[Braincrater]

I think there should be a "undecided" option or "all of the above":D

[NikFu S.]

i was thinking STi until i remembered the skyline. the gt-r34 has no rival for beauty or performance. at least no japanese rival.

[detpac]

I think the skyline is a good car but as far as beauty is concerned, it does not come close to the Supra or 3000 GT.

[chewedtoothpick]

If looks are concerned I like the NSX, Supra and (it's kind-of japanese) Stealth all tied... but I am a function over form type of guy...

[NikFu S.]

i just like cars that look like you can hit a button and morph into a battloid.
also, what other car in this class measures your g-force and stuff? nuff said.

[Shawn96VR-4]

Originally posted by NikFu S.
i was thinking STi until i remembered the skyline. the gt-r34 has no rival for beauty or performance. at least no japanese rival.

STi?? :confused:

[Racer 007]

Originally posted by DJAuggie


STi?? :confused: ugly ass subaru although it is pretty quick

[Shawn96VR-4]

Originally posted by Richard
ugly ass subaru although it is pretty quick

Argh. I hope this thread takes into consideration looks. The STi is hideous at best.

-Shawn

[NikFu S.]

i think they are a huge improvement over the bug eyed ones. but then again i am very biased towards subys.

[Shawn96VR-4]

Originally posted by NikFu S.
i think they are a huge improvement over the bug eyed ones. but then again i am very biased towards subys.

WTF can you even consider it fror the Best Jap Super Car ever? It hasn't even done ANYTHING close to other platforms.

I realize you have an opinion but its extremely biased.
Atleast I am smart enough NOT to put the 3/S.

-Shawn

[matt sherman]

skyline or supra...

fuckin steve has both:(

Matt

[chewedtoothpick]

Just think... At least (looks wise) it's not a SVX... IMO they look like a fat gen1 300zx that is all tripped-up on drugs!!!


Oh... that pic above...

Wouldn't that suck if there was a major earthquake one day?

[NikFu S.]

whats wrong with the svx?:D
http://www.subaru-svx.net/photos/files/NikFu_S./12393.JPG

[chewedtoothpick]

Don't get me wrong one bit! I like them for their mechanics; It's just that the one and only one I have yet to see IRL was fugly IMO. OTOH, I am looking to add one to my collection....

[NikFu S.]

what do you want it to do? i hope not drag race. unless ofcourse, you have hella mad dough.

[chewedtoothpick]

just PM me or email me to talk about SVX... no need to get offtopic on this thread... But please do contact me (chewedtoothpick[atsignhere]speakeasy[periodhere]net)

[NikFu S.]

uh, no action for a while now. still alive toothpick guy?

[Zoodled]

I picked 3S for Super Car since the Skyline wasn't on the list. If it was a poll for Sports Car I think I would have picked the 300ZX TT.

[NikFu S.]

Why didn't you just put "other"?

[Zoodled]

Originally posted by NikFu S.
Why didn't you just put "other"? Because I like the 3000GT better and wanted to see its number of votes increase. The 3000GT is the best daily driver supercar.

[skylinevspec2]

The Acura NSX because it is a handmade built sportscar. I think 290 horsepower is pretty good, and no other car can match its styling. The accellaration is quick, impressive handling, and lightweight. I don't care about how expensive it is because it looks worth the money. I know alot of people complain about how it is underpowered, but if you want more speed. All you really have to do is go out, and buy modifications that would make it faster. Just like what we do on our 3s.

I think some of you need to look at an NSX, so look at this.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=5337&item=4529257762&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

[xwire]

have you driven a NSX??? while in stock form they feel VERY under powered, and even when super charged (computec) and full suspension still it still felt slop at higher speeds, while nice, I prefer the 3KGT's wide open interior, makes it more comfortable when taking it to the edge and beyond

[Jeremy C]

None of the above here. If there was a 240Z or a 2000GT on there I would have had an easy choice. And why is the DSM on there? It was built here, designed here, and exported the Japan. It's an American car.

[skylinevspec2]

have you driven a NSX??? while in stock form they feel VERY under powered, and even when super charged (computec) and full suspension still it still felt slop at higher speeds, while nice, I prefer the 3KGT's wide open interior, makes it more comfortable when taking it to the edge and beyond

If you want to see a video of this Cybernation turbo NSX. Feel free to dl and watch it.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/view?&h=90&w=120&type=mpeg&back=p%3Dacura%2Bnsx%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fl%3D0%26vm%3Di%26fr%3DFP-tab-vid-t%26b%3D21&vurl=www.nsxsc.com%2Fcnmnsx%2Fcnmnsx2.mpg&rurl=www.nsxsc.com%2F&turl=scd.mm-so.yimg.com%2Fimage%2F1504076069&name=cnmnsx2.mpg&no=28&tt=37&p=acura+nsx&size=3.1MB&dur=21

[jay91701]

NSX has always been my favorite. Where the hell is the MR2? It would get my #2 vote followed by the RX7 (looks alone get it that spot). Tie between the 300Z and the 3000GT. I don't realy care for Supras (no real reason behind it I just don't like them. So that about covers my opinion of all the super cars on the list. J

[Lucifer]

The Acura NSX because it is a handmade built sportscar. I think 290 horsepower is pretty good, and no other car can match its styling. The accellaration is quick, impressive handling, and lightweight. I don't care about how expensive it is because it looks worth the money. I know alot of people complain about how it is underpowered, but if you want more speed. All you really have to do is go out, and buy modifications that would make it faster. Just like what we do on our 3s.

I think some of you need to look at an NSX, so look at this.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=5337&item=4529257762&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW


$60,000 for a RWD Civic? There are lots of hand built sports cars in the world (Aston Martin, Porsche, BMW, Viper, C6 Z06), 290hp is weak, styling is optional, acceleration numbers are not impressive at all, handling can't match BMWs.

[Kibwe Walker]

For the 1/4 mile the supra: because it has the largest engine bay to put a BIG ASS SINGLE IN there, RWD is the best set up for the track, inline 6 for high rev's and the ability to put rather larger cam setups to support that 9-10k rpm.

For the street the 3s: Jack of all trades and AWD dominates the streets. Its a car that does everything well. With a 3s you don't really have to give up anything. Jack of all trades sums it up and if modded right it can hang with the Kings in some areas, especially on the street.

For off the road and rally: Evo because DUH.

Overall: 3s because I can count on my hand the number of times I will go to the track this year and I am NOT GOING to build a car or drive a car that is good for one thing. I am not going to have a car that I have to park because its raining or because there may be black ice out. Off road is for trucks and jeeps.

[JRC]

Wow, after two years and 7 months the voting is still going on with a whopping 61 votes,, talk about bringing a thread back from the dead.

[xwire]

Wow, after two years and 7 months the voting is still going on with a whopping 61 votes,, talk about bringing a thread back from the dead.


always around here :D

[Shiffty]

well apparently the skyline is the best since 2 live in dallas and ive seen them perform!! Next would be the Supra sorry but honestly the Supra is on e of the best even better then the 3S in my opinion. I have a few friends w/ the MK3 and the MK4 And those are built like full out Tanks. Ive never seen a car that can just hold at redline and nothing go wrong w/ it.

[Own a VR4]

Wow, after two years and 7 months the voting is still going on with a whopping 61 votes,, talk about bringing a thread back from the dead.

hahahahahaha.

[Syn]

Maybe an old thread, but a good one.

I would also pick the 3/s (moreso 3000GT for some of these reasons I will list) and that's why I have one. I have always liked them. Here are 2 reasons they are better to me, than any of the other cars up there:

1. Looks. Nothing else even comes close. The next best car on that list is 2g Eclipse. Supras look prety bad unless they have some sort of body kit (non-ricey body kit) added to them. RX-7's are close to the 3/s but just too curvy if you ask me. 300ZX looks like a Saturn, and the NSX's back end is way too long to look good. Of course looks are subjective so the next person down could think the opposite of me, but this is what I think about them.

2. AWD. I wanted a car I could drive in all conditions, and also launching an AWD car with street tires at a stoplight harder than anything else on that list could ever do (sans DSM AWD) makes it stand out in my opinion.

[Shawn96VR-4]

2. AWD. I wanted a car I could drive in all conditions, and also launching an AWD car with street tires at a stoplight harder than anything else on that list could ever do (sans DSM AWD) makes it stand out in my opinion.

You haven't raced a LS1/Supra with slicks I guess?

[melis]

I love the NSX, in my opinion its the most exotic looking of the bunch

[Kibwe Walker]

You haven't raced a LS1/Supra with slicks I guess?
On the random encounter AWD is still superior because with slicks they are actually WORSE than regular old street tires until you get them hot and clean.

Slicks are more of a problem on the street than they are beneficial. If its is remotely wet or the road is less than perfect slicks and 400+ RWHP ='s BAD THINGS.

At the track the are right at home though.

[M-Spec]

My vote is skyline.............would that be "none of the above" or "other"?

[Sean 91 VR4]

Interesting choices some of you have.

SJ

[Syn]

You haven't raced a LS1/Supra with slicks I guess?

Notice I said street tires, as in pick any other car with street tires on and it won't be able to do what AWD can with street tires.

[black_sunshine]

i chose other- for Skyline. when you think supercar, it's not about if you can mod it and make it a supercar, it's wether it's a badass car from the factory. that's why the supercar titles are reserved for porsche carrera GT's and saleen s7's, etc.

there's no reason DSM's should even be on that list. it's a compact sports car. my second choice would have to be the supra. large injectors, good fuel pump, fast car in stock form. pretty much overengineered. also, their getrag auto trannies are only .1 second slower than their getrag manuals. that's good stuff there ;)

[TTAngel]

It's the thread that never dies...

[HCProgramr]

Sure it does. It just comes back from the dead more often than a videogame baddie. You no sooner scroll it off the screen than BAM! It's back for more. pimp:

[Own a VR4]

I saw this thread was revived today and said "holy crap, this thread is unbelivable, I might just unsubscribe from it."

:smoke:

[intruder1_92TT]

I know the thread is old, but I thought that I would give my thoughts.

I know the thread is old, but I thought that I would give my thoughts.

I noticed that quite a few people are deciding which car is best based solely on it's 1/4 times. I decided to look at the whole package: Acceleration; Stability at high speeds; handleing; Yes, 1/4 times; HP/TQ; Reliability - pre and post mods; Initial Cost; Maintenance Cost; Fuel Economy; Ease of working on it; Looks; and Gadgets. For the sake of my sanity(assuming I ever had any), I only looked at the top end models.

I voted for a 3S (yes a little biased), it has good acceleration, AWD, great handling, a timeless look, lots of gadgets, rock solid at 150+ MPH, and the fuel economy isn't bad when diven conservatively. It is even reliable when cared for properly, not beaten to shit at the track, and not modded on the cheap. It responds well to mods, with the ability to put out ~300AWP for what around $600? It has a nice interior, with some of the most comfortable seats ever. I know it's a PITA to work on, and expensive if something breaks, but to me, all its pros outweighed the cons.

The only other car that was close for me is the RX7, but its reliability is pretty spotty even stock, and it's fuel economy is as bad or worse than that of a Chevy Suburban.

And to all the Supra people, I'm sorry. If all I cared about was going in a straight line, well then Supra all the way, but since most roads have curves, and I prefer those curves to a straight track... well I want a car that can take those turns.

So there you go, just remember, this is my opinion, not gospel.

[xwire]

3000GT VR4 designed and built because there is more to life then just a 1/4 mile

[JRC]

There is no question. I have a 1991 VR4 with about 120k on it. It's 14 years old now and I have no qualms about jumping in it and heading cross country getting 24 mpg all the way. I have left it stock on purpose to conserve it's originality being an old Vette guy. My VR4 with stock 300 hp can still outperform a basic 2004 Vette in handling. In power the match is pretty close. I would like anyone to put up a 14 yr old car of any make that can match it today. The VR4 was way ahead of it's time, hands down. Look at any other platform and tell me how many of them are in mass with 10 to 14 yr old cars that perform like these do. The answer is only one. The 3000GT and Stealth. Even brand new exotics cashing in at way over a hunderd grand only match my VR4 in 1/4 mile times at 13.544 bone stock with no better performance. My Stealth that I sold with mild mods turned a 12.3 in the 1/4 and that in itself for those that really know straight line drag racing is a damn fast car.

[HCProgramr]

Good to see you around, John!

[basicstrategy777]

If the car is such a great car (which I agree) why is it you hear nothing about it from any source, especially the car print media, and it goes down in value every year.

777

[xwire]

If the car is such a great car (which I agree) why is it you hear nothing about it from any source, especially the car print media, and it goes down in value every year.

777


no movie time, not that I mind it one bit, most have no idea what my car is, which in turn is really nice when I spank the shit out of them, the rest think it is a heavy slow pig... even better :D

[DiamondStealth]

all movies would do, especially if it was movies like the fast and the furious, etc that appeal to the younger crowd ((sorry by the way, I know several people on here are younger and very responsible)), is it would just promote people to go "oh wow that car is so cool, I can take it and rice it out and make a killer street racer out of it" :ugh: And that is not the kind of publicity that we need or want. You would just see more of our nice cars get bought, riced out, and wrecked by irresponsible drivers and more of them ruined because they only used cheap parts or skipped rountine (for these cars) maintance on the car because that underbody neon kit was so much more important than paying the kind of money that these cars cost to maintain:rolleye1:

I can't remember who it was but someone on here one time said that these cars were plus $30k I think when they were new and that just because they had depreciated in value didn't mean that the parts had or that it meant the car could be treated like a cheap Honda.

[TTAngel]

no movie time, not that I mind it one bit, most have no idea what my car is, which in turn is really nice when I spank the shit out of them, the rest think it is a heavy slow pig... even better

I completely agree. when the car first came out Car and Driver only had complete losers driving for them. It's only gotten worse since then.

It will go down in value every year. you want something that goes up, buy a house, or a Piper Cub.(small airplane)

Most people think my car is a Dodge Avenger, or a Ford Probe. I'm ok with that. All you hear from the Honda crowd is that it's heavy, and doesn't have any of the cool stuff that made the JDM GTO so fast...

Then you spank them. :bigsmile:

someone on here one time said that these cars were plus $30k
my window sticker says 40K. And I don't have climate control, active suspension, exhaust, all wheel steering, or a power antenna.

Yes, that's right, some one bought mine with stage one race lightening(<-right one?) already done. :bonk:

[JRC]

Good to see you around, John!

Thanks. I am still kicking around. Don't get on either forum much because I am working a lot of hours trying to make use of the summer in Chicago. My Stealth is gone but I still have the trusty 91VR4 and it's still perfoming flawlessly.

basicstrategy777:

There is a simple explanation as to why it doesn't or never will receive recognition. Pearl Harbor, Mitsubishi engines, study history and maybe bad feelings as to their remarkable performance against us.
Mitsubishi came to the US in the 80's so it's relatively new to the US and it spanked good old American ingenuity and everything they had out there at the time,,,,,,,,, still does, so hide that fact and promote and support American Muscle.
We had to promote it ourselves for what we knew it was. It's taken way longer and our cars didn't even start coming of age with any type of support till the middle 90's only 4 years before they stopped making them.
We might still be developing support but as the clientel gets younger and younger as the value decreases, the money behind them will also decrease and eventually it will no longer be profitable developing it. Our time is getting shorter for sure. The only way to insure it's viability is not to give them away and stick together, however that is highly unlikely. Younger guys develop bills and need ready cash to handle them and give them away for next to nothing if they have any problems.
Time marches on. They are just waiting for us to go away and the embarassment will just die out.

[basicstrategy777]

JRC

Good to hear from you again.

The loyalty to this brand is too strong. It will never go away; yes the cars will be reduced in number but those that remain will be in real stong hands. Most future owners won't be make believe mechanics and they will have the money to keep them up.

Your comment about this 15 year old car being way ahead of its time is certainly true.

With fairly minor modification to engine and suspension
the 91 twin turbo can hold its own with much more expensive cars being built today. Looks, performance....it's really quite something if you think about it.

777

[black_sunshine]

has anyone ever thought on the flip side of things with insurance? with a higher value on the car such as the supra, does the insurance actually go up since they're not produced anymore and are highly sought after?

[JRC]

has anyone ever thought on the flip side of things with insurance? with a higher value on the car such as the supra, does the insurance actually go up since they're not produced anymore and are highly sought after?

There isn't really much to think about for the insurance companies. They base a cars value on auction prices and reflect accordingly as to the charges. Each car also has a symbol. The higher the symbol based on performance the higher the monthly rate also reflected by the age of the driver.
Unless someone has an exceptional car and documents it's appraisal and also requests a special policy for that amount to cover the car, the insurance company uses those statistics, so normal rates will bring normal coverage based on auction prices. Most insurance companies will not insure what they call performance enhancing equipment added and may raise your rates or cancel you if you tell them you have installed them. Radios and sound systems are of course a different story and not performance related, but receipts must be saved and if too exhorbitant the insurance company must be notified so they can reflect your premium prices for covering that equipment.
That said if an average auction price is a given dollar amount and parts are no longer made or cost a lot to obtain, they just revert back to totaling the car when they reach the dollar amount of auction value.

[xwire]

also take into effect the number of claims made against such car.... case in point

it is cheaper to insure my wife's GTP them a base grand prix (rental vehicle = a large number of claims)

the same holds true of my VR4 compared to an SL of the same year mileage

[crack in my salsa]

sorry for the old thread back, but wanted to give my 2 cents. first I dont think none of those cars are supercars (maybe the nsx) almost same hp with NA engine. if it would be from all tiem jap cars I would chose the 240z, its damn fast, all ind suspension, and its the first oficial jap classic, but i am gonna focus in the 90s since most of them are from that decade.

i would choose the 300zx, it is not the fastest, or hte one that handles the best, but I take in consideratin the time when it was introduced, what it meant at that time, and the contrubution, it was introduced i in 1990 and i think is superior than e 3000ft and stealth, and if it wasent for the 300zx the supra, rx7, wouldnt exist probably, since they were made to outperforme the 300zx, in some decades in teh future the 300zx I think its gonna be a classic, below its a list, made by people who know wayy more and teste wayy more cars than me and probably than you gust, and and the 300zx is in some of hte top ten list, along with the rx7, nsx. there was no supra os 3kgt.

http://www.300zxclub.com/showthread.php?t=41451&highlight=miata+300zx+90s

[njmarine2001]

I would have to go with r34 skyline.

i love my Stealth (and have since before i was able to afford one) and am going to buy a VR4 soon to go with it so she isnt so lonely in the garage with all the time I spend over seas.

Richyboycale - could you expect a site devoted to 300's to pick anything but a 300 as the best car? i agree the car did mean alot and was a key car during its initial release in showing jap performance to the Americans, but I i believe that the 3s was in design stages at in the late 80's so it would have came out anyhow.

The 3s will never be rated one of the best supercars by the general world. they arent well enough known, and those that do know of them typically get theri revies from the likes of car and driver or road and track. and those rags wouldnt know a real car if it fell on them from the sky. I like the fact that the car never really became popular. i do not own any other japenese cars, my other car for a daily driver is a KIA ( i know but its 35 MPG and cost me 15k, so i can throw it away after the 100k warranty) The only other cars i still want to go buy are a classig triumph tr7 and a 7series beamer to complete my stable of fine autos.

just my 2 copper

[Shawn96VR-4]

sorry for the old thread back, but wanted to give my 2 cents. first I dont think none of those cars are supercars (maybe the nsx) almost same hp with NA engine. if it would be from all tiem jap cars I would chose the 240z, its damn fast, all ind suspension, and its the first oficial jap classic, but i am gonna focus in the 90s since most of them are from that decade.

i would choose the 300zx, it is not the fastest, or hte one that handles the best, but I take in consideratin the time when it was introduced, what it meant at that time, and the contrubution, it was introduced i in 1990 and i think is superior than e 3000ft and stealth, and if it wasent for the 300zx the supra, rx7, wouldnt exist probably, since they were made to outperforme the 300zx, in some decades in teh future the 300zx I think its gonna be a classic, below its a list, made by people who know wayy more and teste wayy more cars than me and probably than you gust, and and the 300zx is in some of hte top ten list, along with the rx7, nsx. there was no supra os 3kgt.

http://www.300zxclub.com/showthread.php?t=41451&highlight=miata+300zx+90s

This is perhaps the dumbest post I have ever read in my entire life.

Not only does it sound like you have downz but you backed your "I am a 300ZX fanboi" with a thread from their website.

[stealthawd]

This is perhaps the dumbest post I have ever read in my entire life.

Not only does it sound like you have downz but you backed your "I am a 300ZX fanboi" with a thread from their website.

buahahaha...that's just too damn funny

[xwire]

lets see take 5 layers of shit stuff it under a hood and slap 300ZX on the side... yea great car :(

[TTAngel]

cleaned it up a bit for you. :bigsmile:

Hello 'Gents. Sorry to bring a thread back from the dead, but when this thread was first made I was learning english, and still am. I learned how to type this morning with my nub of a penis, so please bear with me.

Here's my 2 cents.

1) I disagree with you selection in the poll, except for possibly the NSX, because this is the car that every 4 door honda civic is inspired to become by simply strapping on a fart can, and adjusting the V-Tec engagement point. If I had to choose one car, I would say a 240ZX is the best car of all time, because it was mildly quick in it's day, has independent suspension, and opened the japanese compact sports car market in America. much like my 70 year old gay lover, back then, they were really something. That being said, I will pick a car from the same era that most of the cars in the poll come from.

2)I choose the 300zx, mainly because, like every car and driver editor, I can't see the bloated piece of crap that it has become through the "prestigous history" it's predicessors had. Though it does suck balls compared to most cars that were on the market, it is not an All Wheel Drive, heavy pig of a car that came standard with a souped up minivan engine.

3)Remember, if it wasn't for my choice, these other choices wouldn't even exist, because the 300ZX is, in fact still cool because back when the corvette had it's nutsack cut off by our government for the sake of saving California from toxic fumes when they should have just carpet bombed the fucking hippies, japan had a chance to make a few overpriced cars that could keep up with it, and they did for a few years.

4)So some time in the future people will pay large amounts of money for a a car just as heavy as a 3/S, but way is in fact way cooler because John Wolf said so in the 80s. This magazine right here in front of me written by men that need viagra to pound each other in the ass said that the 300ZX is one of the ten best cars of all time, along with the RX7, cause they like to buy new engines after apex seals blow, and the NSX, cause, well, its the only honda that they could put on the list, so it had to be on there somewhere. There was no Supra or 3000GT on it, mainly because the magazine I typically read doesn't drive cars, they just take advertising money, and correct 1/4 mile times to what they would have run on a "good day." Please see the thread below. don't mind all the male-on-male nudity.

http://www.300zxgaydanceclub.com/showthread.php?t=who's_a_catcher_and_drives_a_300Z X_like_me

P.S. Cowboys Butts Drive Me Nutz.

:flame: :moon: sorry I had to.

[crack in my salsa]

This is perhaps the dumbest post I have ever read in my entire life.

Not only does it sound like you have downz but you backed your "I am a 300ZX fanboi" with a thread from their website.


first, sorry for spelling English is my 2nd language I am living in Mexcio.
And obviosly as a 300zx ( and miata, 240z) owner I choose the 300zx.

njmarine2001 : choosing a link with a list from editors (that are not Z biased) is not dumber than making this thread in a 3kgt forum and expecting real results. Those lists that I provided have nothing to do with the forum they were from a international magazine. so who care if the link if on a z forum

DJAuggie: here a link from this forum and gues what? 3000gt finish in last place of the 6 car shoot out. and the 300zx here the link.

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=263947

Post Op Male:

1)I can see you dont like the NSX, well then why did it had 15 year production? other the 240ZX dosent exist so I can see you only a young person that only read sport compact car.

2) My desitions are not based on the editors is just to prove that the thread is wayy competely biased. and minivan engine is that suposed to be special?

3) If you look at the link above in the shoot out the corvette did compete in in the price range, and lost I think in 4th place, so I guess japan cars were not that overpriced.

4) the 3000 gt was the heaviest car. And ok lol so honda, nissan , mazda and other companies paid to the magazine to be in the list, I cant prove you wrong on that. OO but can still look at the above link from a magazine that DO TEST CARS and well you can see the results. anyways why dont you give and example of a good well knowm magazine that YOU read to see if the 3000gt is on their list of top ten, of they won a shoot out, or comparison, ( I am really expecting a reply in this one Post Op Male)


Again sorry for my writting

[xwire]

:LMFAO:

[xwire]

1991 motor trend if I am not mistaken, have a copy of it at home, and I quote "the 3000GT with it's all wheel steering all wheel drive and three hundred available twin turbo twin inter-cooled horse power makes even an average driver extraordinary"

[TTAngel]

anyways why dont you give and example of a good well knowm magazine that YOU read to see if the 3000gt is on their list of top ten, of they won a shoot out, or comparison, ( I am really expecting a reply in this one Post Op Male)

you found my secret. I can't read. thanks for rubbing it in. bass turd.

[Shawn96VR-4]

first, sorry for spelling English is my 2nd language I am living in Mexcio.
And obviosly as a 300zx ( and miata, 240z) owner I choose the 300zx.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. You decided to back it up with the 300ZX website. That's like saying GWB is the greatest president of all time because www.georgebush.com says so. :squint:


njmarine2001 : choosing a link with a list from editors (that are not Z biased) is not dumber than making this thread in a 3kgt forum and expecting real results. Those lists that I provided have nothing to do with the forum they were from a international magazine. so who care if the link if on a z forum

100% wrong. The source maybe from a "magazine" (I won't even tear you up for using *1* magazine as your source) but you got it from a 300ZX website. Another anology: Go to a racist website and you won't find any negativity about racism. :squint:


DJAuggie: here a link from this forum and gues what? 3000gt finish in last place of the 6 car shoot out. and the 300zx here the link.

http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=263947


Again, 1 source from a magazine does not mean shit. My opinion of you is that your a retard. Should that be the truth because *I* (1 source) say so? Well, maybe so.

[Shawn96VR-4]

Let me say that I am 100% about free speach. This isn't 3SI and I am not Alan. If you think I am a fuck tard, then so be it. Say it a few times and I will rape your ass though. :D

However, if you have an opinion, at least make an attempt to back it up. Maybe you don't like the 3/S, maybe you think it is ugly, etc.. I could care less. Making blanket statements that is backed by magazines and gay sources like the same entity in which your attempting to support is the dumbest fucking argument on the face of the earth.

[crack in my salsa]

1991 motor trend if I am not mistaken, have a copy of it at home, and I quote "the 3000GT with it's all wheel steering all wheel drive and three hundred available twin turbo twin inter-cooled horse power makes even an average driver extraordinary"

here a motor trend compare found in htis fourm,its on 93 again so probably not the same.
http://www.3si.org/forum/showthread.php?t=263948&page=1

DJAuggie: I like the 3kgt dont get me wrong,but my point was mainly to prove that most of all these answers are biased.

Go to a racist website and you won't find any negativity about racism
well I found the mag with the shootout and the 3000gt finish last in this own forum, so I guess that analogy didn't work.

here another from car & driver:
http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/articles/mk4/2_94rtsupra.html
that make it 4 sources, so I think that is pretty obvius and clearly seen that that the 3000gt as the best "super car" is a biased opinion, and is IMO car & driver, motor trend, and road & track, and SCI not are gay sources. So please tell me again any magazine that is not gay.

OK I can back it up a little bit more. ( I will take out the skyline, nsx because I have never driven one). I prefer the 300zx ( I wont go into numbers)by the design, what it ment in the 90s, the interior for me is more "driver inspired" feels more nimble, I know the supra is better in every way, but its more expensive it sold less and I took 3 years to outperform the Z, the stealth I dont like the looks the 3000gt I do like them, but 3800 lbs its to much for me, The rx7 would probably be my 1st choise excet that I dont like reliability of rotaries, and the lack of a cheaper base model.

[stealthawd]

what are you looking for with this? some kind of prize?

from FIRST HAND experience with BOTH cars, I can tell you that the 300zx is a slow ass car. drove two of the same year, one right after the other...both turbo cars. I can tell you honestly, I laughed at the performance of the Z...and it was the one I wanted to buy to begin with. The onlly reason I even test drove the tt stealth is because I wanted to run the piss out of it. I didn't like it, I didn't like the tan interior and I was hell bent on getting the Z. after driving the 300z BEFORE AND AFTER the stealth, I can honestly say that it was a POS. in the early 90's, I owned a turbo Z car...WANK WANK WANK...the POS was flipped over and it couldn't handle worth a fuck...good riddance, it was a pig and was uncomfortable.

having several buddies with turbo Z cars, I can tell you that I can easily outrun them...from a dig, from a roll...whatever

honestly, if you come to a 3/s forum and rip the car apart and tout your POS car...you won't be well received. funny thing is, you have lasted longer than most. any other forum would have booted your ass a long time ago...not that it won't happen here...just saying ;)

also...big fucking deal that you are searching your ass off just to find a piece of media to support your turd. I can do the same.

one more thing, the new Z car...BITCH car. it's a car for girls and old men...I'll stick with my faster than you Stealth...

[stealthawd]

also, a two seater car that weighs JUST AS MUCH as a GT car is pretty fucked up.

face it man...you drive a big heavy pig...just like the 3/s

and 3800 lbs? I think you have some crack in your picante salsa there amigo...

[stealthawd]

oh my my...one more thing...

I remember back in the mid 90's when one of the car rags did a top ten fastest cars and oh shit...your POS turd wasn't even close to being on the list. hell, you were beat out by the slowest of the list which was a lightning. how fucked up is that that the POS Z car got beat by a fucking PICKUP TRUCK!

go home with your fucking magazine racing attitude. you're a dipshit

put your magazine down, run to a dealership and give that POS car away before it loses anymore value...

[stealthawd]

damn...I just can't stop...

if your turd is so much better than a 3/s, then tell me why it is worth LESS than the EXACT comparable tt VR4?

same year, same miles and same features (actually more were available for the 3/s)...but yet the Z car is worth at least $1000.00 less consistently across the board...OUCH!

and to end it all...would you like to race? I am still just running stock turbos :D

[xwire]

:tyson: ...NEXT... :zthrwer: my man is on a roll

I just have to add imagine that the poll is one sided this is a forum for 3000GT's and Stealth's, :car: imagine we prefer our cars over others... would make since wouldn't??? :givesaf: :fpopcorn:

[stealthawd]

you hit the nail on the head...

personally, I LOVE the looks of the RX7 (90's style)...that is a hot ass car. just can't make it down the track without breaking hahahaha, but I would still have one if I found one for a good price. I think they look sick...

[realstinky]

300zxTT is a MUCH better car than the new Z (350z) of course. That's because i feel like Nissan is slowly killing the Z car, in favor of Skyline and the Infiniti division. However, the 300zxTT is an EXCELLENT handler (yes it is, the guy that flipped the Z can NOT drive. Especially RWD cars). It also has alot of power under the hood, and it sure does beat the 3000GT VR4 from the roll. From the start however, we all know what the better car is :) You can't mess with the AWD... I wanted to get a 3000GT so bad before (it's true), but then i fell in love with Datsun 240z (1970-1973), and eventually got a 300zxTT. I drove both cars, the 1994 3000GT VR4, and the 1993 300zxTT. Lemme tell ya... i love BOTH. I prefer the Z though, first, because i own one, and second, because it doesn't seem to have as much problems with the drivetrain as a VR4. Transfer cases like to fly on these things i hear... Oh, and have i mentioned that the TT takes over the VR4 from the roll stock on stock? I hope so... :)

All of you people that try to deny the Z make me want to earl. Both cars are excellent racers, and they are VERY close. VERY! If you can't see farther your own nose, then what more can be said?

And EWWW! There are some sick bastards among you... who the hell in his straight mind would want to rape someone's ass? :downthumb


P.S. I REEAALLY want to see a comparison between a 1997 M3 (Dinan stage 3 supercharger, built motor, Dinan flywheel, some sort of cold air intake? and alot of other extras. i don't have the whole list) and a heavily tuned VR4 (preferably post-1994) because the M3 gets better traction from the start than a Z... however with some mods the TT can take it fairly easy from the roll. VR4 is an AWD car though, so realistically it should have MUCH better traction from the start then the M3...

[stealthawd]

And EWWW! There are some sick bastards among you... who the hell in his straight mind would want to rape someone's ass? :downthumb


where the hell did that come from...I must have missed that one

[Shawn96VR-4]

where the hell did that come from...I must have missed that one

Why me ofcourse. :D

[stealthawd]

didn't we just go through this same dumb shit a while ago with the supra guys? and just like this, one by one here they come hahahaha...

[crack in my salsa]

stealthawd:

My intention was not to turn personal to you. however and changing my name to "crack in my salsa" that showed lack of maturity in the moderator (dont know if it was you). But by the amount of replys you posted I can you goy kind a mad at me probably because of my sources probing what you cant or still not proved of your stealth being better,

. AWD is matter of preserence agaist RWD. But I can asure you that 99% of people would prefer RWD as opposed to FWD in the base model. Botha re great cars no point I totally baching car like If would be dabating with a civic. i some shootouts the Z was faster in other dont, as I said before is not about numbers. and here anothe sources for the boneville runs:
http://www.junauto.co.jp/democar/index.html?en
the Z is holding the record for that class.

remember back in the mid 90's when one of the car rags did a top ten any linkds sources, name of the mag, and you say I give gay sources.


Yes I know the 350z, but then again rx8 is slower than rx7, but consider the price. there is no supra o mitsu, sport coupe car

P.D thank you for not kicking me out

[stealthawd]

OK...the ONLY thing in that post that made ANY kind of sense is where you thought I was immature. agreed...I am and I don't care. I'm not a moderator, I am the owner of the forum. do I feel bothered by your thoughts of my immaturity? not in the slightest...

as far as a link...look it up, you are really good at research. but I guess you couldn't find any information that would down your precious turd ;)

AFA leaving you dorks on the board...consider it limited. like I said...just as I would be booted off of the z forums if I went on there ripping the two seater pig apart and bragging on my four seater pig...it's all in due time. I doubt it will be much longer before you and your buddies cross some imaginary line. just like you cross that imaginary finish line :D

ya know...if it meant so much to you...pay for a membership and feel free to stay all you like...everyone knows that paid members have more say. I understand if you can't because you need to keep your car on the dirt road...poor kids with poor cars trying to think they are fast. you are a step above a honda without the reliability...so sad

[stealthawd]

here ya go (http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/new_cars_trucks/1269976.html?page=6&c=y) but only cuz I'm nice...

let's see...what does that say at the bottom for 1/4 in a STOCK car? 13.44 @102mph...and what was it that it says for a Z? oh!!!nothing...but my OWN research (google) shows a healthy 14.1 seconds for the tt Z car...

I'm sorry...what was it you guys were saying about magazines and your cars?

NOW...fuck the magazine racing...that's just retarded.

[stealthawd]

oh...let's go back to numbers since you like it so much...hopefully this should close your mouth (I highly doubt it though)...

Nissan 300Z TT -
300 BHP @6400 RPM's (coming on a little late don't ya think?)
283 ft. lbs. @ 3600 (guess there is no kick in the seat with that)
99 HP per liter (you are actually "slightly" under 3.0 from what I hear but I could be wrong).

VR4 or TT Stealth of the same year -
320 BHP @6000 (what a great place to still have power and not HAVE to shift)
315 ft. lbs. @2500 (did that just say 2500? looks like that kick is a LOT stronger and a LOT sooner...oh and on an AWD car...OUCH)
108 HP per liter (I know...just stings when the numbers and research doesn't go your way)

don't you have a leaking t-top that you need to fix or something?

Once again, I hate numbers racing...but ONCE again...it looks like you are left wanting.

[realstinky]

ok... that is just retarded. The Z actually is MUCH faster than the 14 seconds... I have no idea where you would get that info 0_o (actually, i do :P I google things too ;))

So, don't just use 1 website as an example of quarter mile, why not show the 13.7 second link? http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0306scc_300zx/
and lets show the VR4? http://www.fast-autos.net/mitsubishi/mitsubishi3000gt.html

The morale of the story: Different drivers drive, well, differently. So, don't try going looking for websites that suit you best, and just accept the truth that both cars are almost the same, except one has 20 more horses than other, and also bit more weight. And, well, the AWD becomes a liability at high speeds. But from the start, the VR4 is an Excellent car. If i needed to classify cars, i'd say that the Z is a highway king, while the VR4 is a street/intersection killer.


stealthawd, please tell me what mods you would have to get for the VR4 to take the tuned M3 from the line, not from the roll... The reason why i ask is because i have a friend with that M3 and he said he raced a Z with 310WHP and he destroyed it from the line. I seriously do NOT doubt it, but i am sure that the Z would have pooped on him from the roll :) Which he didnt try of course :P
The M3 puts out about 320WHP... And from what i found on on Dinan's site it's a 4.7s 0-60mph car with those mods.

[crack in my salsa]

OK so I get it, All those comparos were made from 90 to 93. Those numbers you gave were from the last model of the 3kgt. I would definetly love to se a comparo with the last model of the 3kgt. And as I said before it is not all about numbers. If it were about number the supra would definetly be the best (IMO). And by the Z came in 1990 and the 3kgt didnt even existed in 1990 , and when It came intro production in 1991 It still was outperformed outperfome the Z. even outperforming the Z most people, including editors and test drivers prefered the Z.
So Who started the trend of sports car in the 90s: the Z. And I say again both are great cars. all of the outperfermed in different ways by only decimals, so batching and sayin pig, slow ass, as stuff like that is useless.

P.D: there are 4 seaters 300zx to. and please if you are going to put your source from the research dont put "google" its like saying "internet" lol.

[realstinky]

GRRR, LEMME PLAY THE DAMN ARCADES pissed: pissed: pissed: pissed: :soapbox: :swear: :swear: :furious2: :furious2: :furious2: :hot!: :hot!:

[stealthawd]

ok... that is just retarded. The Z actually is MUCH faster than the 14 seconds... I have no idea where you would get that info 0_o (actually, i do :P I google things too ;))

So, don't just use 1 website as an example of quarter mile, why not show the 13.7 second link? http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0306scc_300zx/
and lets show the VR4? http://www.fast-autos.net/mitsubishi/mitsubishi3000gt.html

did you just post a site that STILL showed a faster 1/4 mile time? tell your linguistically challenged friend

I just compared one site to one site. I didn't go "digging"...I just went with the first site that I saw. it's not that important to me.


The morale of the story: Different drivers drive, well, differently. So, don't try going looking for websites that suit you best, and just accept the truth that both cars are almost the same, except one has 20 more horses than other, and also bit more weight. And, well, the AWD becomes a liability at high speeds. But from the start, the VR4 is an Excellent car. If i needed to classify cars, i'd say that the Z is a highway king, while the VR4 is a street/intersection killer.


I didn't search for sites to suit me. I pulled the original site that was ASKED of me to produce and then pulled the first site that had info on the tt Z. sorry it didn't go your way. I have no doubts that I could pull a Z on the highway...I say that in all sincerity...having raced them in the past as well as owned and driven them. as the saying goes...I ain't skeered.

stealthawd, please tell me what mods you would have to get for the VR4 to take the tuned M3 from the line, not from the roll... The reason why i ask is because i have a friend with that M3 and he said he raced a Z with 310WHP and he destroyed it from the line. I seriously do NOT doubt it, but i am sure that the Z would have pooped on him from the roll :) Which he didnt try of course :P
The M3 puts out about 320WHP... And from what i found on on Dinan's site it's a 4.7s 0-60mph car with those mods.

if you want the honest truth...only in my opinion...BPU. I wouldn't be worried about that car off line when I just had intake, exhaust and boost controller (which I don't). I could be wrong and I would love to find out...but once again, I don't really care LOL

honestly...when you guys emailed each other and decided to come over here...did you think you were going to be met with praise when this started because some guy who can't write the fucking language starts tearing into the car that this forum is dedicated to? holy cat shit man...

[stealthawd]

OK so I get it, All those comparos were made from 90 to 93. Those numbers you gave were from the last model of the 3kgt. I would definetly love to se a comparo with the last model of the 3kgt. And as I said before it is not all about numbers. If it were about number the supra would definetly be the best (IMO). And by the Z came in 1990 and the 3kgt didnt even existed in 1990 , and when It came intro production in 1991 It still was outperformed outperfome the Z. even outperforming the Z most people, including editors and test drivers prefered the Z.
So Who started the trend of sports car in the 90s: the Z. And I say again both are great cars. all of the outperfermed in different ways by only decimals, so batching and sayin pig, slow ass, as stuff like that is useless.

P.D: there are 4 seaters 300zx to. and please if you are going to put your source from the research dont put "google" its like saying "internet" lol.

actually...first gen cars were virtually identical to the Z other than AWD. the numbers for the Z were for a 96 versus a 96 VR4/TT Stealth. sorry to disappoint you man.

your saying that the Z is better because it was "first" is fucking retarded...along those lines, a Model T is better than a Z because it was first...how dumb is that?

when I called the Z a pig, I call the 3/s one as well...only because that is what the general population calls BOTH cars.

who gives a rats ass how I did my research...it just didn't go your way...which was what was said a long time ago. you were quoting shit that you found on your own damned forum...that's fucking WEAK!

you should go make this SAME argument on the ls1 forums or Viper Alley...oh, even better...Supra forums. let me know how that turns out for you...

[stealthawd]

GRRR, LEMME PLAY THE DAMN ARCADES pissed: pissed: pissed: pissed: :soapbox: :swear: :swear: :furious2: :furious2: :furious2: :hot!: :hot!:

gotta pay the member dues...

BTW, you are much better at talking cars than the cracky salsa guy...he is lost in his own masturbatory world...kudos

[crack in my salsa]

I looked at your websites and the 3000gt listes its a 99, that cost 44,600 vs a 300zx that cost 33,400. Is that fair ?, If you are using that difference in price range, than use the SMZ 300zx sold from a deal it had 365 hp. Take in count what they innovated, at the time. And do you have a 3000gt or just a stealth? they dont even bother to put in the comparos lol. I pretty sad to know as a owner and adminitrator, talked in such a teen way calling names, you posted way more reply to me and me to you, and you haven prove almost any points, its all useless talk.

using sport compact car as a reasource over R&T, C&D, tell indirectly tells me you are a ricer.

[stealthawd]

I looked at your websites and the 3000gt listes its a 99, that cost 44,600 vs a 300zx that cost 33,400. Is that fair ?, If you are using that difference in price range, than use the SMZ 300zx sold from a deal it had 365 hp. Take in count what they innovated, at the time. And do you have a 3000gt or just a stealth? they dont even bother to put in the comparos lol. I pretty sad to know as a owner and adminitrator, talked in such a teen way calling names, you posted way more reply to me and me to you, and you haven prove almost any points, its all useless talk.

using sport compact car as a reasource over R&T, C&D, tell indirectly tells me you are a ricer.

huh?

all I got was sport compact...I quoted the 13 quickest from Popular Mechanics. damn, not only can you NOT write, you can't read.

...and it was a 97 VR4 which is basically the same as the 96 STEALTH and 3kgt. it's the same car there chico...

AFA the rest of your "post"...none of it made sense...not that I didn't understand...it just did NOT make sense.

[realstinky]

heh we didn't really email each other to come here :) How i found out about the conversation is a secret... :P In fact we don't really know each other, but we both own Z's :D And we both LOVE 240z's i found out today :D

Hmm man, i am not logically impaired, i just showed that different drivers drive differently (since i am sure that on that site the cars were driven by different people). The site shows 14.1 for the Z. But another shows 13.7. And yet another shows different. And differe... yes, different, and it's the same for 3000GT's. I was showing you that it's all a matter of driving skills and of timing :)


Ok, let's see... The M3 really is a monster my friend. But i know that both the Z and the VR4 have much MUCH more potential than that maxed out M3. It has all the best mods available for that year, yet it still puts out 320WHP, which of course does wonders for that car, but not enough. If you think all it would take is a BPU, then i believe you of course, but with scepticism. Hmm, man, i would LOVE to show that cocky guy just what a real super car does... but he won't race from a roll >_< EVER!

[xwire]

did I miss anything? guess not...

what are these fuckers multiplying???

[stealthawd]

I agree that magazine and number racing is stupid...he wanted numbers so I produced them. it was then that he got mad and called them BS and bitched that I got numbers for him. like I have said all along...I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT NUMBERS!

when my AEM was getting tuned with a group of friends...I was the only one that didn't give a shit what "number" my car put down. all I care about is that my car runs and runs very well.

AFA how you got pulled into this convo, I have a pretty great guess...and I don't care LOL. like I said...you are much more respectable with the car talk than your illiterate buddy. he just comes across as ignorant...

regarding the M3...I wouldn't call 320 HP a "monster" when a stock second gen vr4 is sporting that and a BPU Z is probably close. to me, a monster is a 1200 HP Viper that was driven to the track and driven back home (impractical of course but still qualifies as a monster)...

my take on cars is this...I like my car and am happy with it's performance. if a car beats me...I love it. I love watching a car kick my ass...only because I know that my car is respectable and to see something walk away (no matter what it is) is just awesome to me...

[xwire]

where the hell does a M3 come into this???

hell if we are going to be comparing cars lets go for the gusto perhaps a Bugatti Veryon

I tell you what anything you little heart can dream up stock for stock I think it has you beaten


as far as a 300Z being a mechanic and working on several (even on with a NA to TT conversion) you can keep that five layer POS, who in their right minds design a car with 8mm bolts coming from block into the heads underside :bonk: :kbspawn:

[stealthawd]

did I miss anything? guess not...

what are these fuckers multiplying???
well, there are these two...one of which is intelligent and articulate in his delivery...the other, well...let's just say he's NOT!

there is also another one who only registered on here to vote for the Z car but was smart enough not to post. his user name is Zoned if you want to say hi hahahaha

it's been an interesting thread. a bunch of posts and a request for more from someone on the forum. well, that didn't go "crack's" way so it has just went downhill from there...

[crack in my salsa]

who gives a rats ass how I did my research...it just didn't go your way...which was what was said a long time ago. you were quoting shit that you found on your own damned forum...that's fucking WEAK!

All the sources I used were from magazine and I dont think those magazines will favor the Z just. I didnt use any source that was from a 300zx forum. the link that i used to direct ISC magazine was indeed from 300zxclub.com but what does that matter were does it come from, the facts are the same no matter were they come. I looked for shootouts and found those, and I if I cant find any shootouts that show that the stealth or 3000gt is better is not my problem. number didnt helped as you can see to favor the placings. And none of the sources that I used were from a Zrealted company or mag, JUN, C &D, R&T, SCI, MT. there is no reason why they are not trust worthy. So instead of posting posting lots of replys and only making this thread longer, just found those shooouts, or comparos, that you say that I am ingnoring. Go ahead. Give a credible resource, shootout whatever or simply an opinion of a profesional saying that the stealth is better than Z. I you can find one (dont think so) I will leave. So I understand you. And eys you need to take in consideration who was introduced first. example I think a 240z is a better car than a svt focus, the svt focus outperforme it every way. so time does counts.

I was the one sawing that number are not was matter, I even started the conv. saying that the Z is not the fastest of the one that handles better.

P.D: as realstinky said we dont really know each other, I jsut luck that we both love old and new Zs

[Jerggy13]

did I miss anything? guess not...

what are these fuckers multiplying???
no shit...............spend a day at work and you miss out on all the fun

[crack in my salsa]

no shit...............spend a day at work and you miss out on all the fun


well it was stealthawd who replied and talked.... and still has not proved what he is contracting me.

[stealthawd]

All the sources I used were from magazine and I dont think those magazines will favor the Z just. I didnt use any source that was from a 300zx forum. the link that i used to direct ISC magazine was indeed from 300zxclub.com but what does that matter were does it come from, the facts are the same no matter were they come. I looked for shootouts and found those, and I if I cant find any shootouts that show that the stealth or 3000gt is better is not my problem. number didnt helped as you can see to favor the placings. And none of the sources that I used were from a Zrealted company or mag, JUN, C &D, R&T, SCI, MT. there is no reason why they are not trust worthy. So instead of posting posting lots of replys and only making this thread longer, just found those shooouts, or comparos, that you say that I am ingnoring. Go ahead. Give a credible resource, shootout whatever or simply an opinion of a profesional saying that the stealth is better than Z. I you can find one (dont think so) I will leave. So I understand you. And eys you need to take in consideration who was introduced first. example I think a 240z is a better car than a svt focus, the svt focus outperforme it every way. so time does counts.

I was the one sawing that number are not was matter, I even started the conv. saying that the Z is not the fastest of the one that handles better.

P.D: as realstinky said we dont really know each other, I jsut luck that we both love old and new Zs

your what hurts? :help: buy a fucking translator because you are fucking LOST!

if you want the thread shorter and smarter, I will delete all of your posts LOL

[realstinky]

no, no, the M3 has 320WHP. Thats Horsepower to the Wheels, not BHP. BHP i'd say it makes about 380-ish+... He is too cheap to dyno the car so that's the BHP that he told me... And for an M3 it kinda is a monster, since there is barely anything else left that you can put on the damn thing... So that's why i said it was almost maxed out :) But he got it from a salvage auction, so he got a GREAT deal on free mods...

Heh, i only say this stuff about the M3 because i am pissed off at his luck and that at this point he can smoke my Z from the line. But i sure am happy to know that soon, very soon, i will burn him, once i completely finish my car and break him down for a roll race :) As for 3000GT's... well, let's just say that the only guy with a VR4 that i know, has left the City for awhile, and won't be here to try the BPU suggestion. But once he comes back, we sure WILL do it :D And then... HAahaha burn M3 burn. I don't like when people show off their crap when they get lucky and don't put anything of their own into the car.

Well, i think that other 300zx guy is a smart one for not fighting a bitch fight, but i have to say i'm enjoying the convo myself. Actually, i never knew before how friggin close the VR4, z32TT, and TT Stealth really are together! Sucks however that i can't own all of them :(


I heard however from that VR4 owner that the stealth is more powerful than the VR4... Is there any thruth to it? Does it feel different?

P.S. my first car was a 1994 Eclipse GS... and lemme tell ya... I really hated the transmission. Seems to me that most Mitsubishi's/Talons/Stealths have problems with transmissions, kinda like Corollas have problems with the springs/shocks :h-scratch

EDIT: Thanks for the compliments man :D I try to be civil...

[stealthawd]

well it was stealthawd who replied and talked.... and still has not proved what he is contracting me.

riiiiight...

we shouldn't mumble...people can't understand you when you mumble

[crack in my salsa]

OK, at these time. I have no more points, links, or any to back me up. Thank you all of you guys that reply to me in a formal manner. as for stealthawd, I was hoping you ( as owner/ adminitrator) would be more mature (changing my name to crack in my salsa its like a 6 year old beaing angry), but you said yourself; you are an "arcade yunkie". I know my spelling/ grammar is bad (its my 2nd language.) but I could to just bitch figth call you names stuff, but I am not like that. I was really hoping you con come with any source to prove that Z are "shit" "POS" like you said, but anyways I had a great time. I do have to say thank you for not kicking me. I love the Z and I do like the 3000gt, (stealth not su much). so cya guys.

P.D: what year is your 240z?

[realstinky]

Oh yeh, also, check out this cool car.
http://zhome.com/Dec99/240Z%5B1%5D.jpg

Isn't it BEAUTIFUL? :D That's what i want for next Christmas, since i couldnt get it this one. And richyboycaldo also owns one of these. He is lucky :D

[stealthawd]

no, no, the M3 has 320WHP. Thats Horsepower to the Wheels, not BHP. BHP i'd say it makes about 380-ish+... He is too cheap to dyno the car so that's the BHP that he told me... And for an M3 it kinda is a monster, since there is barely anything else left that you can put on the damn thing... So that's why i said it was almost maxed out :) But he got it from a salvage auction, so he got a GREAT deal on free mods...

that looks like a lot nicer number...I missed the WHP. I still think a BPU or BPU+ vr4 could take it off the line. once again...this is purely speculation on my part. would be a fun race IMO.


Well, i think that other 300zx guy is a smart one for not fighting a bitch fight, but i have to say i'm enjoying the convo myself. Actually, i never knew before how friggin close the VR4, z32TT, and TT Stealth really are together! Sucks however that i can't own all of them :(

exactly...like I was saying...coming on to a car forum and bashing it is not going to merit much respect. the z and the 3kgt are very close. had the conversation not started as a bash on our platform, that is definitely where the convo would have went.


I heard however from that VR4 owner that the stealth is more powerful than the VR4... Is there any thruth to it? Does it feel different?

nope...as much as I would love to say it is...they are identical. I am running a 99 shortblock in my first gen stealth. the ONLY thing that could make the stealth "quicker" (for lack of a better term) is the lack of active aero.

P.S. my first car was a 1994 Eclipse GS... and lemme tell ya... I really hated the transmission. Seems to me that most Mitsubishi's/Talons/Stealths have problems with transmissions, kinda like Corollas have problems with the springs/shocks :h-scratch

the lovely Getrash transmissions LOL...they really aren't that bad. they actually will take a LOT of abuse. there was a recall that solved the problem that most people know about. personally, I have been through a couple of transfer cases...but with exception of the first one, they died out of stupidity

[xwire]

your what hurts? :help: buy a fucking translator because you are fucking LOST!

if you want the thread shorter and smarter, I will delete all of your posts LOL


now that is some funny ass shit........ :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[stealthawd]

...but you said yourself; you are an "arcade yunkie"...

and when the hell did I say that?

btw...

C YA!

[xwire]

biggest problem with the transmission is the fact that we are trying to put twice the power through a transmission that has really no upgrades available

one thing I was talking to a customer about today is you have to consider that almost 75% of the mods for a 3S come from a small time shop making it them selves. there is very little major aftermarket support... no stillen... no, hell very little from anyone that does not make something that just happens to also fit a 3S...

[stealthawd]

Oh yeh, also, check out this cool car.
http://zhome.com/Dec99/240Z%5B1%5D.jpg

Isn't it BEAUTIFUL? :D That's what i want for next Christmas, since i couldnt get it this one. And richyboycaldo also owns one of these. He is lucky :D

that is definitely a nice car...I loved those cars when I was a kid. one of the best looking Z cars IMO...

[realstinky]

wow, that sucks :( I thought that the aftermarket was small for the Z's, but i was wrong :( Heh, on a good note though, there is always Ebay! (/sarcasm)

hmm, i remember how i ripped up my transmission on my GS 2 times... haha boy, was that hilarious.... NOT! I ended up buying a used tranny for 700 bucks! Since it's a 1994... so it's supposedly a different model. Surprisingly i have no problems with my Z tranny for now, except worn Synchros, and a worn shift boot -_-

Yes, you guys have AWD killing the transfer cases, it's understandable, so it kinda sucks. But even if you don't abuse the car, you get muuuch quicker launches than FWD or RWD ;)


As far as Stillen goes, well, let's just say, that i won't be ordering much from Steallen. There are alot of independent vendors that we can order from, and that's a great plus to the Z community ;)

What exactly breaks down in the Transfer case anyways? Has anyone ever found out?

[stealthawd]

...What exactly breaks down in the Transfer case anyways? Has anyone ever found out?

on the first gens, it is usually the output shaft out of the tranny and the output shaft sleeve in the transfer case. there is a solution to that because you can swap them out for upgraded ones. there is also failure in some of the xfer cases due to fluid leaking out and then that just leads to all kinds of problems. I check mine regularly now hahahaha...

[stealthawd]

well kiddies...it's time for me to hit the bed...i'm worn the hell out. it's been a crazy long day.

Von...if you want to pick up some car audio equipment...I will be running the shop on Friday and Saturday LMAO...come make my sales look good hahahaha

I took a vacation day to help him out on Friday...woohoo...

[realstinky]

oooo i see. My friend with his VR4 has no problems with his transfer case for now, but he sure doesn't abuse it, since if it's not the transfer case that breaks, it will definitely be something else, and he is like me - not rich. Not rich at all... :) I'll steer him forward to these forums once he comes back, although he doesn't like computers... which is pretty stupid if you ask me ;)

I am curious though, did you ever try to spin the tires? I know it sounds pretty stupid, and childish, but i was curious if you can get them to spin even a bit. The physics of the friction traction and all tell me "Nope retard, that won't happen", but the heart is hoping :colors:

http://www.team3s.com/FAQbadxfercase.htm This is something i just found out o the transfer cases. Seems to me that it's something that can't be upgraded, since the design itself is pretty bad... Kinda like Evos with their transfer cases -_-

[realstinky]

ok, thanks for haing a conversation with us. It's been fun! Nighty night!

[Jerggy13]

on the first gens, it is usually the output shaft out of the tranny and the output shaft sleeve in the transfer case. there is a solution to that because you can swap them out for upgraded ones. there is also failure in some of the xfer cases due to fluid leaking out and then that just leads to all kinds of problems. I check mine regularly now hahahaha...


You forgot to add the the first gen transfer cases are cast aluminum. With extremely rough launches you can crack the front housing that holds the imput spool. People tried making steel cages that wrap the cages to help contain and transfer the power but have not been extremely helpfull. A prototype CNC billet alluminum front housing has been made and is now installed on the old GTPRO drag pro that is currently owned by ray p. and is putting down like 800+awhp and shooting for 9's sans more drivetrain failures. Oh yeah running full interior and nearly stock weight.

[3ZCZONED]

That's not very nice. Stop being a prick.

- DJAUGGIE

[Shawn96VR-4]

A lot of fanbois with single digits post coming out of the wood works.

The 300ZX is really a HIGH HIGH 13 second car or LOW 14 second car. Stock for stock, the Z is going to lose. Do I care? No. I rarely lose races as it is.

Do I give a shit about the Z? Not really. Most can't even afford the maintenance because it's like $500 for an oil change as the engine bay is as fucked as an old pussy.

[Jerggy13]

hahahahahahahaha

Hello Jerggy13,

3ZCZONED has just replied to a thread you have subscribed to entitled - Best Japanese Super Car Ever - in the General Banter forum of US3S Dodge Stealth and Mitsubishi 3000GT Forum.

This thread is located at:
http://www.us3s.org/freeforum/showthread.php?t=359&goto=newpost

Here is the message that has just been posted:
***************
If you can be immature and change richyboycaldo's name....and ban him....then I can be too.
this one's for you stealthawd FAGGOT!!!
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b117/zmanz32tt/Random019hhhefe.jpg

[3ZCZONED]

$500 for an oil change...you are an idiot

[3ZCZONED]

hahahahahahahaha

I am glad you enjoyed that picture too

[Shawn96VR-4]

$500 for an oil change...you are an idiot

Sorry. $450 after rebate.

[Shawn96VR-4]

I didnt read all the posts but the 3/S won the 2006 SCC. I am sure someone in this thread brought it up and I doubt it's the 300ZX's crew.

[Jerggy13]

I am glad you enjoyed that picture too

why are you not banned yet? :screwy:

[3ZCZONED]

cuz you immature faggots haven't banned me yet.

[Jerggy13]

cuz you immature faggots haven't banned me yet.


You are asking for it. You signed up, attempted to make fun of the owner and now are calling us faggots? :screwy:

[Shawn96VR-4]

cuz you immature faggots haven't banned me yet.

This immature faggot banned you.

Be nice next time.

[Jerggy13]

whats are our odds that he will return again? This is getting old

[Shawn96VR-4]

whats are our odds that he will return again? This is getting old

Who knows. It's gay to go to another site and just haze. I'll ban the entire domain if need be.

[Z4speed]

After reading thru this thread and being a Z owner all i have to say is WOW! You guys are clueless. I respect both cars and think they can both be fast and enjoyable to drive depending on what you do to them. Stock vs. stock pretty close, but who cares, any car owner on a car forum prob isnt stock. I think its more about what responds better to mods. Take DJAUGGIEs car, 454 rwhp on td0516g's I really did lol when i saw that in your sig. 1.8 60ft time with your almighty awd, Ive done better than that with street tires in my rwd Z. 117 mph traps with upgraded turbos, sorry youll have to better than that. Now im not saying either car is better than the other, to each their own. I just thought i would point out that in the Z community thats pretty crappy results for that setup.. :rolleye1:

[TTAngel]

anti-christ kitty.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!






300Z's still suck.

[xwire]

clueless, hmm



300ZX owners going to other forum's and convincing their cars suck one forum at a time, yea I guess you are right we are clueless



AGAIN! having tore into several, modded a couple, and driven even more I will stick to a 3S any day, hell we have a riced out 300Z here at the dealership now, all yours for the taking as the last one sat on the lot for almost two years....

[stealthawd]

wow...looks like they kept coming like roaches even after I went to bed. have to give them credit...they have more stamina than the poopra guys did when they invaded hahaha...

at least the poopra guys seemed to have a clue on what they were talking about

[xwire]

the funniest part is they are bitching of a thread that is damn near 4 YEARS old, this was started way back in 02' HAHAHA

[stealthawd]

the funniest part is they are bitching of a thread that is damn near 4 YEARS old, this was started way back in 02' HAHAHA

slow car, slow owner

it just took them a while to get there.

the best part is that the Z had no votes on a forum that is pretty open minded for the most part when it comes to other cars.

[Shawn96VR-4]

Take DJAUGGIEs car, 454 rwhp on td0516g's I really did lol when i saw that in your sig. 1.8 60ft time with your almighty awd, Ive done better than that with street tires in my rwd Z. 117 mph traps with upgraded turbos, sorry youll have to better than that. Now im not saying either car is better than the other, to each their own. I just thought i would point out that in the Z community thats pretty crappy results for that setup.. :rolleye1:

Incorrect. My sig:

454AWHP/460TQ @ 20PSI; 11.71 @ 117.5MPH w/ 1.80 60' at 20PSI (OLD)

See the word old. That wasn't done with the current setup. That was done with TD04HL-15Gs that are the size of your dick and completely maxed out.

~118MPH out of a car that weighs about 2TONS with me in it at 20PSI is pretty good. My sig doesn't even list out my supporting mods. Your going to compare my car to the Z community based on that? Yes, 1.8 60' does suck but so does the track prep. That's actually a good thing. It SHOULD be 1.6 or 1.7 which puts me in the MID 11s. Your going to run your mouth about a MID 11 2TON street tired car? C'mom man. I know you and the Z guys want to start a revolution here but give credit where it is due.

Again, I got nothing against Z's other than the fact that I don't care for them. If you come to talk shit to me, then have something better than comparing my car in which you don't even know my supporting mods.

[Z4speed]

"That was done with TD04HL-15Gs that are the size of your dick and completely maxed out."

WOW! Thats was a good one. You guys are more immature than the Supra guys when it comes to talking about other cars. If You want to talk about giving credit where it due, How about Z32racing.com , 11.77@121 on STOCK TURBOS! Stop being dumbasses before you get more embarassed. I would kill to race some of you guys they way u think your car is all fast and stuff.. :screwy:

[xwire]

MI? where is that again?

I know the STL group is set to go up north this spring... may have to bring a "couple" of the cars I have built just to have a "little" fun....

[xwire]

and just in case you are wondering this is not Nascar, races around here start from a dig,

[stealthawd]

"That was done with TD04HL-15Gs that are the size of your dick and completely maxed out."

WOW! Thats was a good one. You guys are more immature than the Supra guys when it comes to talking about other cars. If You want to talk about giving credit where it due, How about Z32racing.com , 11.77@121 on STOCK TURBOS! Stop being dumbasses before you get more embarassed. I would kill to race some of you guys they way u think your car is all fast and stuff.. :screwy:

kick ass...you are in MI (at least your location says so)...we have a big group in MI as well as you aren't that far from StL. I would welcome the opportunity to meet fellow auto enthusiasts...

[Shawn96VR-4]

"That was done with TD04HL-15Gs that are the size of your dick and completely maxed out."

WOW! Thats was a good one. You guys are more immature than the Supra guys when it comes to talking about other cars. If You want to talk about giving credit where it due, How about Z32racing.com , 11.77@121 on STOCK TURBOS! Stop being dumbasses before you get more embarassed. I would kill to race some of you guys they way u think your car is all fast and stuff.. :screwy:

Immature? I got picked out of the crowd and insulted when you guys don't even know the mods. Yes, I am going to say something back.

BTW, those "STOCK TURBOS!" are the size of my TD04HL-15Gs.

[stealthawd]

Immature? I got picked out of the crowd and insulted when you guys don't even know the mods. Yes, I am going to say something back.

BTW, those "STOCK TURBOS!" are the size of my TD04HL-15Gs.

so you're saying that the stock turbos on a Z are the same size as a 15g? buahaha...and they only net low 14's/high 13's in stock form! wow...they are much worse than I thought. 3/s cars can destroy that no problem on little bitty 9b's. oh, I gotta find me a Z car to eat alive. Von, "borrow" the Z car sitting on the lot hahahaha...

[Shawn96VR-4]

so you're saying that the stock turbos on a Z are the same size as a 15g? buahaha...and they only net low 14's/high 13's in stock form! wow...they are much worse than I thought. 3/s cars can destroy that no problem on little bitty 9b's. oh, I gotta find me a Z car to eat alive. Von, "borrow" the Z car sitting on the lot hahahaha...

To the best of my knowledge, we got the shaft with the 9B in terms of performance.

"TBO22 turbos are good for about 20psi" quote from a thread. They have the same displacement as the 3/S too.

[stealthawd]

this just gets better then. the Z car should be sporting much higher HP than a 3/s and with less drivetrain loss. let's analyze this please...just for amusement really...

they have larger turbos, less drivetrain and a couple hundred pounds lighter yet they turn out less HP in stock form and net around the same 1/4 mile times? am I the only one that finds this perplexing?

[Shawn96VR-4]

Poor Z owners, in stock form, get the shaft out of the supercars as they usually turn out last. Do they even trap over 100MPH in stock form? I know it's close.

[xwire]

this just gets better then. the Z car should be sporting much higher HP than a 3/s and with less drivetrain loss. let's analyze this please...just for amusement really...

they have larger turbos, less drivetrain and a couple hundred pounds lighter yet they turn out less HP in stock form and net around the same 1/4 mile times? am I the only one that finds this perplexing?


your forgot variable valve timing up until the OBII cars

[Kibwe Walker]

this just gets better then. the Z car should be sporting much higher HP than a 3/s and with less drivetrain loss. let's analyze this please...just for amusement really...

they have larger turbos, less drivetrain and a couple hundred pounds lighter yet they turn out less HP in stock form and net around the same 1/4 mile times? am I the only one that finds this perplexing?
Its perplexing looking at the turbos only but by looking at the motors it comes down to valve size (intake and exhaust), and then you have to look at the bore to stroke ratio since we are talking about 3.0 litres. Those factors aswell as the angle of the V affect the power aspects of a V motor.

Look at the numbers, they don't care what anyone thinks they just tell you objectively the way things are. The bore to stroke ratio of a DOHC 6g72 is 1.85:1 and as far as I know I believe our intake valves are the largest out of the 3.0 litres and so is our bore. I have to go searching for the thread on 3si when 3si comes back up but if anyone here has those numbers on the top of their head, kick them out.

[Monochrome]

"That was done with TD04HL-15Gs that are the size of your dick and completely maxed out."

WOW! Thats was a good one. You guys are more immature than the Supra guys when it comes to talking about other cars. If You want to talk about giving credit where it due, How about Z32racing.com , 11.77@121 on STOCK TURBOS! Stop being dumbasses before you get more embarassed. I would kill to race some of you guys they way u think your car is all fast and stuff.. :screwy:

Okay. My car is all fast and stuff, and I'd be happy to get more embarassed by you.

Can you make a trip to Great Lakes Dragway?

[3kgt boi]

How come i get the feeling Z4speed is a 13 year old that is a fan of z's and just managed to pass us by on a google search, and couldn't really back up anything he says because he probably doesn't own a z :bigsmile: ?

[Z4speed]

I know your turbos are smaller stock, but you do run higher boost from the factory, hence the few extra hp to push the heavier car. And yes im 13 and neither own or know any thing about the 300zx :twirl:

[Jerggy13]

I for one have always liked the Z cars. I looked at a few of them prior to buying my car also. I like the new 350Z also. I like the exterior styling, the handling, and great sound. But interior sucks and they are slow........

My friends Z
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v390/jerggy13/overlays1.jpg

And he has had nothing but problems with it....Nissan has replaced 2-3 sets of tie rods that connect the rear sway bars to the control arms. And its TOB sounds like it wants to leave the car....

It is not a car I would want to use as a daily driver. The interior is cramped and seats are extremely flat and uncomfortable.

[Monochrome]

And yes im 13 and neither own or know any thing about the 300zx :twirl:

Then I guess there's no point in a race then...

[Z4speed]

"I for one have always liked the Z cars. I looked at a few of them prior to buying my car also. I like the new 350Z also. I like the exterior styling, the handling, and great sound. But interior sucks and they are slow........"

its true i hate when remakes are a step backwards in performance, I like the styling but hate the drivetrain. I hear the trannies are junk and 400hp from the TT kit just isnt cutting it. Only way to go would be to rebuild the engine with lower comp internals to run higher boost. I would love to do that but not when the car is so much $$ right now. A nice daily driver 600 hp G35 be nice one day..
:hairraise

[TTAngel]

Then I guess there's no point in a race then...

race him on scooters. I've got ten bucks on the kid.

[stealthawd]

and as fast as they came, they were gone. almost sad in a way LOL

[stealthawd]

I pulled THIS off of the Z forum...hahahaha (http://www.my350z.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162778)

[xwire]

I know your turbos are smaller stock, but you do run higher boost from the factory, hence the few extra hp to push the heavier car. And yes im 13 and neither own or know any thing about the 300zx :twirl:


now you do realize that psi has shit to do with air flow don't you :slap: ???

alright somebody whip out the turbo 101 book and school the 13 year old :flame

[xwire]

well I guess GT Pro got it done in time ;)

[Z4speed]

Take 3 days for being a prick.

-DJAuggie

[Shawn96VR-4]

ROFL. 103.8MPH trap in a 300ZX. I did a 13.7 @ 101MPH in my 3/S and I weigh about 310LBS and I cut an amazing 1.9 60'

[TTAngel]

and as fast as they came, they were gone. almost sad in a way LOL

tear.

wait, nevermind.

[xwire]

what did I miss??? nothing from the looks

[Shawn96VR-4]

what did I miss??? nothing from the looks

They were being pricks. I don't mind trash talking but if your going to talk smack to mods, except to get banned. That's basically how every forum works. :screwy:

[TTAngel]

I am especially dissapointed that not one even bothered to post pics of their rides. or girls with turbo bras. I would have excepted either answer. This leads me to the conclusion that perhaps they were 13 years old...?

[Shawn96VR-4]

I am especially dissapointed that not one even bothered to post pics of their rides. or girls with turbo bras. I would have excepted either answer. This leads me to the conclusion that perhaps they were 13 years old...?

Considering the majority of their responses came with magazine sources, I am wondering myself.

[xwire]

fuck-em, was fun why it lasted maybe now they can go back to their own little worlds, of go back to playing NFSII

[realstinky]

that game sucks. Period :( The best NFS was 4 and 5 (High Stakes and Porsche Unleashed)

It sucks that there can't be a great convo without someone insulting someone else... That is just sad. I guess people like to act like they are a bunch of retards on internet... Sad.

Hmm, i did some research on the transfer case, and it seems to me like someone could make a killing selling a great-designed transfer case. Why won't anyone do that though? I am sure there are people here with money... And it probably won't take much to make a great design, since the original one is pretty bad :/ If i was into 3, or S, i know that's what i would try to do, since it's one of the weakest points in a VR4 and TT Stealth.


Heh, try to keep off the insults people. I know it's hard :cry1: but it's possible :correct: :rockon: :dude2: :dude: :drunk: !

[stealthawd]

that game sucks. Period :( The best NFS was 4 and 5 (High Stakes and Porsche Unleashed)

It sucks that there can't be a great convo without someone insulting someone else... That is just sad. I guess people like to act like they are a bunch of retards on internet... Sad.

Hmm, i did some research on the transfer case, and it seems to me like someone could make a killing selling a great-designed transfer case. Why won't anyone do that though? I am sure there are people here with money... And it probably won't take much to make a great design, since the original one is pretty bad :/ If i was into 3, or S, i know that's what i would try to do, since it's one of the weakest points in a VR4 and TT Stealth.


Heh, try to keep off the insults people. I know it's hard :cry1: but it's possible :correct: :rockon: :dude2: :dude: :drunk: !

dude...you are 150% cooler than the other asses that are now banned. like I said earlier...your delivery is way more intelligent than them. you are more than welcome to stay and hang out...

[Shawn96VR-4]

that game sucks. Period :( The best NFS was 4 and 5 (High Stakes and Porsche Unleashed)

It sucks that there can't be a great convo without someone insulting someone else... That is just sad. I guess people like to act like they are a bunch of retards on internet... Sad.

Hmm, i did some research on the transfer case, and it seems to me like someone could make a killing selling a great-designed transfer case. Why won't anyone do that though? I am sure there are people here with money... And it probably won't take much to make a great design, since the original one is pretty bad :/ If i was into 3, or S, i know that's what i would try to do, since it's one of the weakest points in a VR4 and TT Stealth.


Heh, try to keep off the insults people. I know it's hard :cry1: but it's possible :correct: :rockon: :dude2: :dude: :drunk: !

SICK money if someone designed one that can take abuse.

[xwire]

after you strengthen the transfer case you have the transmission to deal with, I have only almost destroyed one transfer case, but now as far as transmission's.... well lets just say I have two that I swap out with my tranny builder when needed, they are not the great at taking full throttle shifts :p, that and be able to launch at 7k and getting traction is very addictive :D

and I have to agree you have a lot better way of getting your ideas across

[TTAngel]

I think the only real way to fix our drivelines would be to turn the engine the right way, hook up a tranny that connects to the rear wheels only, and then have a ball.

But then we would be stuck in the same boat as the Z and the Supra. 12 second 1/4 miles no matter what your horsepower is. :laughing:

Launching a full weight 3/S at 7k is gonna break shit. that's just a fact of life. There is a hell of a lot of sticky tire patch there.

As soon as the supras start running big sticky drag slicks and 700+ horsepower they need to go through they're shit too. Stock just doesn't cut it anymore if your actually grabbing with that much horsepower. The supras get to run a chev auto tranny, though. we can't.

I don't think the t-case is quite as bad as everyone likes to whine about. sure it leaks, and you have to keep an eye on the seals, but if you keep gear oil in it, and drive like a sane person they're fairly tough. my original has 100k miles of abuse. same with my tanny. :hairraise

the problem is most of us want to launch in boost, at 5k+, while sitting in a full power leather chair with the A/C on... that will wreck stuff.

[Jerggy13]

wtf it keeps kicking this thread up to the top????

[stealthawd]

people vote and it brings it back to the top...

[xwire]

not any more :flame: