intrax springs

[tl2uazn637]

do you guys prefer the intrax springs over the eibachs? if i get the intrax, do i need to do anything extra...like cut anything to make it fit? or does it fit perfectly?

[jay91701]

I'm running the Ground control coilovers (Eibach springs are used in that) with stock KYB struts. It was an easy install, (as easy as replacing stock springs) no cutting involved, and I'm happy with those they were a little stiff for street use at first but it's been over a year and they loosened up a bit (or maybe I'm just used to them now). I don't have any info on intrax, but I trust Eibach.

[Tool Man]

You'll get more of a drop with the Intrax, VR-4/TT = greater drop then the NA. I have intrax on my NA, direct bolt on, My camber even adjusted within specs.

[GreenSL]

INTRAX ROCKS!!!! :colors:

[tl2uazn637]

if i get intrax, will i need new control arms?

[Tool Man]

if i get intrax, will i need new control arms?

If you have a VR-4 or TT, probably. If you have a Base or SL probably not.

[tl2uazn637]

did you feel a big decrease in body roll with the intraxs?

[Tool Man]

Yes, the car is much tighter in turns, also launches better and redused wheel hop.

[GreenSL]

Some base/SL require control arms but i would wait and see if your car will go in spec before buying those. You probably will not have to but if you do have to dont drive with your camber out of spec you will ruin your tires.

[tl2uazn637]

how would you tell if you need it or not? by the looks?

[chewedtoothpick]

You check out your tire wear and if your insides are wearing faster than your outside, or if your inside start to crack and look all dried, then you should adjust.

You should do an alignment when you lower anyways (before and after settling) and when they align, they will fix camber.

[Tool Man]

You should do an alignment when you lower anyways (before and after settling) and when they align, they will fix camber.

Yup, you will need an alignment either way. They'll tell you if they were able to get it into factory spec or not.

[tl2uazn637]

do you recommend getting new struts at the same as the springs and do everything together? or would it be okay to ride on the springs until my shocks die? I have a 94' 3000gt SL.


Also, why would you go get alignment before the springs settle? i mean, they settle in after a short period of time right? So would it really be necessary to do alignment (80 dollars give or take) right after installing and then do it again a week or two later? (another 80 dollars give or take). Btw, i only travel about 15 miles a day for school and that's round trip. :bounce:

[Tool Man]

Intrax says their springs don't settle. My intrax did not settle one bit, but I've seen people who say theirs have. I waited 3 weeks to do my alignment, I only did it once. I'm on my old shocks and haven't had any problems yet.

[GreenSL]

Most places when they install lowering springs will include a predisposed charge for an alignment anyway.

[Im2Much4U]

Get Intrax over Eibach's. If you're n/a you won't need control arms, new struts anything but it wouldn't hurt to get new struts and shocks if you need them and have them put on at the same time. Most springs will settle a little but the amount can be hardly noticeable. Do give them time to settle before you get it aligned though. On an n/a, the drop from Intrax will drop it down to about what it should have looked like stock. If you want the really lowered look you're going to have to go with coilovers and then you will need control arms.

-Jeff

[3kgtvr-4me]

ok....not trying to steal the thread.....i got ground control....and that is all about i know i took my car to a shop to have the weels aligned and they checked my camber and to and they told me it was way off.....i got the paper in my car just to lazy to get it right now.....so do they sell parts to correct this for our cars??
thanks

edit-----what is the differance between the flat umm sway bars and the round ones?? i know that is not what they are called but i got a flat one on the fron and a round one in the back...and i was just wondering

[Tool Man]

Yes, here is an example. http://store.newlevelmotorsports.com/incaki.html

[3kgtvr-4me]

thank you very much

[Tool Man]

Any time. :)

[tl2uazn637]

I went to a shop and the guy there told me that eibachs are much better than intrax because intrax doesn't settle. He said he knows people who had the intrax and it blew their struts. I was looking into espelir springs but they don't make them for base/sl and he called a guy about them and he said there's not a big market for them so they probably won't release them. I think now I'm just going to get eibachs or coil overs.

[3kgtvr-4me]

at this rate i will never get a new tranny in or any mods for that matter.....all this little stuff keeps poping up...my tranny did stop doing that wierd thing though when i added more fluid.....so at least it isn't acting up...too much

[GreenSL]

I went to a shop and the guy there told me that eibachs are much better than intrax because intrax doesn't settle. He said he knows people who had the intrax and it blew their struts. I was looking into espelir springs but they don't make them for base/sl and he called a guy about them and he said there's not a big market for them so they probably won't release them. I think now I'm just going to get eibachs or coil overs.


that gut at the shop is full of shit. Does his shop sell intrax as well as eibach or just eibach? think about it. Intrax wont do that to the car and they WILL settle. All springs do. Ground Controls will give you any amount of drop you want almost stock or slammed. Id never get eibachs because they hardly drop the car at all and cost more. they are qualty springs though.

[3kgtvr-4me]

yea my car's pretty low...gotta do the whole "drive at an angle thing" to get up and down driveways, speed bumps...exc.........

[tl2uazn637]

that gut at the shop is full of shit. Does his shop sell intrax as well as eibach or just eibach? think about it. Intrax wont do that to the car and they WILL settle. All springs do. Ground Controls will give you any amount of drop you want almost stock or slammed. Id never get eibachs because they hardly drop the car at all and cost more. they are qualty springs though.

The shop sells both. It is bad that the eibachs only drop an inch or so but quality over quantity right?

[Im2Much4U]

Eibach's and Intrax are both good springs (good quality and I haven't really heard of anyone "blowing their shocks" because of their Intrax springs). On an n/a the drop from Eibach's is pointless IMO. Intrax will drop your car a little more but still not even close to the level these cars need (once again, IMO)

3kgtvr-4me, yes you are definantly going to want control arms if you have coilovers. It is really not a good idea to drive with the kind of messed up camber you'll have without the controls. I'd say raise them back up to near stock until you get control arms just to be safe.

[jay91701]

Ok, here's what I'm getting outa this you want the best quality springs and a considerable drop at an afordable price right? That perfectly describes the ground control coilover system. Quality-good single hight adjusting nut, and they use eibach springs (known for being top shelf). Drop-adjustable from stock ride hight all the way down to, bumper who needs a bumper. Price-I don't remember off the top of my head but not much more then a set of lowering springs. Most importanty they will stiffen up you ride at any hight and allow you to wait on the camber arms till you have the funds to get them. Best of all is they are EZ to install. You don't even need a spring compresor. It's my thought that if your gonna do this type of work and your unsure of what you want then go with something that will leave your options open (coilovers). Oh and if your going to have your struts off anyway you may as well replace them too, if your budget allows. Oh, If you do go with the ground controls get new bump stops(large poly/rubber ring at the top of the strut where it mounts to the frame) your original ones are probably beat and they don't cost very much.

[tl2uazn637]

I heard there's a special tool need to change the springs on our cars. What special tool is it?

[jay91701]

It's a spring compresion tool, rent one at Pep Boys. Coilovers don't need special tools.

[tl2uazn637]

yea have that already. I heard there's something different to take off a nut.

[jay91701]

I used a strap wrench, it's to hold the shaft of the strut when you tighten down the nylon retaining nut. Get a good one though your going to need to tourque it to about 70ft/lbs (not the exact number I'm not looking at the spec. sheet right now). Another way to do it is with channel locks but make sure you put a heavy piece of leather(an old belt) or some soft metal(brass, copper, aluminum, or lead)between the jaws and the shaft so as to not scratch it. If you do it this way do it as close to the nut as you can so if you do scuff it up it won't ever make it down to the seal and ruin it. If you need the tourque let me know and I'll post it when I get home.

[tl2uazn637]

I used a strap wrench, it's to hold the shaft of the strut when you tighten down the nylon retaining nut. Get a good one though your going to need to tourque it to about 70ft/lbs (not the exact number I'm not looking at the spec. sheet right now). Another way to do it is with channel locks but make sure you put a heavy piece of leather(an old belt) or some soft metal(brass, copper, aluminum, or lead)between the jaws and the shaft so as to not scratch it. If you do it this way do it as close to the nut as you can so if you do scuff it up it won't ever make it down to the seal and ruin it. If you need the tourque let me know and I'll post it when I get home.


can u just use air impact guns and zap it off?

[jay91701]

Possibly, but I try not to use impact guns on cars, there's no way to control the tourque. You will still need to put it on with a tourque wrench.

[Drunken Bear]

3kgtvr-4me, yes you are definantly going to want control arms if you have coilovers. It is really not a good idea to drive with the kind of messed up camber you'll have without the controls. I'd say raise them back up to near stock until you get control arms just to be safe.

We're currently running a special on our control arms, $139.00 per pair shipped.

These include swedged steel, gold zinc plated tubes, Moog tie rod ends (with zirk fittings), Aircraft quality rod ends and Steel bushings.

[shty]

Intrax is alot stiffer right?

Anyone have pics of NA eicbach vs Intrax to see the difference?

[Im2Much4U]

Intrax is alot stiffer right?

Compared to what? stock? Then yes.

[shty]

Intrax is alot stiffer right?

Anyone have pics of NA eicbach vs Intrax to see the difference?

Intrax in stiffer/bouncier then Eibach...

[GreenSL]

From what ive heard they are both a fairly comfortable ride still. Intrax may be slightly stiffer due to its lower stance, but not by much.

[shty]

even with KYB's>?

[GreenSL]

3s came with kyb in the first place

[shty]

did they , ???

[GreenSL]

I thought that the stock ECS struts were made by KYB. If Im mistaken someone please correct me. Ill look it up. Either way the ride quality should be fine.

[jay91701]

KYB is what came stock on the base modle, not sure on the SL but I think so.

[Shiffty]

wheres a good place for example that will install lowering springs and do the alignment?? did i spell that right lol